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Subject:     The Five Children of Valentin Skroch and Maria Susa
Date:     Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:52:34 -0700
From:     Martin Pool

Hi everyone.  Here's some additional information you may be interested in.
 
Valentin Skroch (1781 - 1826) and Maria Susa (1786 - 1860), according to Valentin's death record, had five surviving children at the time of his death.
 
Based on previous research, Jacob (born 1804) was determined to be one of the children.  The identity of the other four have been a source of some mystery.  During my recent research of baptismal records, I found two of the children:  Anna (born 1806) and Andreas (born 1810).  I believe I sent you all copies of those records.
 
Unfortunately, LDS microfilm baptismal records for Poppelau (Popielow) are not available after 1815 and I think perhaps the original records may be lost or destroyed.  This made it difficult to find the remaining two children.
 
Fortunately, marriage and death records are still available after this period, and based on those records, there is indirect evidence of who the remaining two children are.  I'm fairly confident the two youngest are:  Catharina (born about 1822) and Theresia (born about 1825).  This is based on their marriage records which show Catharina (daughter of Valentin Skroch) marrying Blasek Moczko on 31 Jul 1849 in Poppelau and Theresia (daughter of Valentin Skroch) marrying Joseph Gorlich (or Gerlich) on 18 Jan 1858 in Poppelau.
 
There is further evidence for Theresia in that Maria (Susa) Skroch's death record dated 02 Dec 1860 lists three surviving children: Jacob, Anna, and Theresia.  I did find that Andreas died in 1828 at the age of 18 and I believe Catharina must have died before 1860.
 
So this is what I have -  all baptisms, marriages, and deaths listed below are in Poppelau:
 
Valentin Skroch    b.28 Jan 1781    m.21 Jun 1803    d.17 Jan 1826
  +Marias Susa (Zuza)    bpt.10 Mar 1786    m.21 Jun 1803    d.02 Dec 1860
 
Their children are:
 
Jacob Skroch    b.24 Jul 1804     d.31 Mar 1869
Anna Skroch     b.26 Dec 1806
Andreas Skroch     b.26 Nov 1810    d.31 Dec 1828
Catharina Skroch    b.abt.1822    m.31 Jul 1849    d.bef.1860
Theresia Skroch    b.abt.1825    m.18 Jan 1858
 
Let me know if you have any questions.
 
Martin

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:     Valentin Skroch - 1781 Baptism
Date:     Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:55:01 -0700
From:     Martin Pool
To:     <michael@skroch.org>, ... <list deleted>

Hi everyone,
 
I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I was excited to find an entry in the LDS microfilm #2099221 regarding Valentin Skroch.  Attached is an image showing the baptism record of Valentin Skroch dated January 28, 1781.  His father is Michael Skroch and mother is Hedwig.  I was excited because his birth year matches what is posted on skroch.org, and therefore would appear to be a strong candidate to be our direct line.  I would be interested in hearing your thoughts.
 
Perhaps Thomas could provide a translation of the record for us?
 
I've only been able to go partly through the film, but Valentin appears to be the second child.  There is an earlier entry for Michael and Hedwig Skroch who had a daughter Dorothea baptised on February 6, 1779.  I will continue the research and see if they had more children.
 
It's sort of poetic, don't you think Michael, that your namesake may be one of our early ancestors?
 
Martin 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:     <translation> Valentin Skroch - 1781 Baptism
Date:     Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:41:08 +0200
From:     Thomas Bauch-Mertens <tbmertens@web.de>
To:     <dwollan@...>, <kskroch@...>, <cathbrown2@...>, <magicmrkrwmn@...>, <ruthcoffman@...>, "'Betty Brooks'", "'Dad&Jeannine'" <jjskroch@...>, "'Martin Pool'" <>, <michael@skroch.org>, <dawnkwillson@g...>

Hello together,
here a small translation of the old german script.
 
28. Januar 1781 Poppellau
 
Ist des Gärthner Michael Skroch von seinem Ehew. Hedwig früh Vormittag um 3 Uhr geborens Knäbl.(=Knäblein) mit Namen Valentin getauft.
Is gardener Michael Skroch from his Wife Hedwig early morning at 3 o'clock a boy born and baptized with name Valentin.
 
Pathen sind gewesen Agnetha Ehew. des Gärthners Jasch Pieterek, Christoph ?Skupin? Gärthner, Thomek Kuka Bauer
Godparents were Agnetha Wife of gardener Jasch Pieterek, Christoph ?Skupin? gardener, Thomek Kuka Farmer
 
A Gardener is a 'small' farmer...
Ehew. (=Eheweib) = wife
Jasch (=silesian for Johan or Johannes) or (english John)
Thomek (=silesian for Thomas)
 
By the way... 3 days ago I was on vacation and visit the church were the baptism was done.
here http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1498966

The church is now placed on the cemetery, but was placed earlier where the 'newer' church was build ~100 years ago..
(here http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1498945)

best regards, Thomas
 
Mit freundlichem Gruße / pozdrawiam
Thomas Bauch-Mertens
D - 15831 Mahlow

Der Tag, an dem die Taufe verrichtet:
The day, on which the baptism was done.
 
Poppelau, den 24ten July
Poppelau, the 24th July...
 
...wurde dem ??? Valentin Skroch und seinem Weibe Maria ein Knabe geboren
und Jacob getauft.
...is the ??? Valentin Skroch and his Wife Maria a Boy born and Jacob
christens.

Simon Wozny, Maria Valentin,Christina Wiezyala.

From Tomas Bauch-Mertens on 13 Apr 2003:

On my search last weekend to our skroch-ancestors I found some informations... Have a look:

I found 2 death-records to 2 different Valentin Skroch:

1. Valentin Skroch
died: 17.02.1826 in Poppelau
45 year old (implies born 1781)     [mjs: This Valentine would have been 23 years old when Jacob was born]
5 Children

2. Valentin Skroch
died: 03.07.1833 in Schalkowitz
42 year old (implies born 1791)     [mjs: This Valentine would have been 13 years old when Jacob was born]
? Children

More data from Thomas Bauch-Mertens regarding an original search for other "Valentin" references that we are keeping for future use: ======================================== Wallentin (Valentin) Skroch    married with    Maria Geogrkin     Son of Wallentin was Michael Skroch born 14.9.1786 Falkowitz, died 25.9.1788 ======================================== Walek (Valentin) born  ~1740  married (at age of 60) 19.4.1800 in Falkowitz with Anna Reslin (at age of  54) ======================================== Walentin (Valentin) Skroch born  ~1779 married at 21.6.1803 in Poppelau  Maria  Luga ? (or Susa???)  born ~1785     Walentin was the son of Michael Skroch.     Son of Walentin was Jacob Skroch born 24.7.1804         (That are the ancestors of Kevin Troy Skroch) ======================================== Valentin  Skroch born ~1781 , died 17.1.1826 (at age of 45) in Poppelau     he had 5 children when he  died ======================================== Valentin Skroch born ~1784 in Hirschfelde was married to Maria ======================================== Valentin Skroch born ~1791 married (at age of 28) to Maria Janek on 10.5.1819 in Schalkowitz     Valentin died 1.7.1833 in Schalkowitz (at age of 42)     dauther was Christina Skroch born 18.4.1820  ======================================== Wallentin (Valentin) Skroch born 6.2.1796 in Falkowitz     Father was Bartek  Skroch ======================================== Valek (Valentin) Skroch married to Hedwige     daughter was Maria Skroch born 09.12.1804 in Schalkowitz     sons were Skroch,Jacob born 1802-07-02, and Skroch,Nikolaus born 1806-12-03          and Skroch,Grzerch born1811-03-10 ========================================

Death Record of Valentin Skroch via email from Tomas Bauch-Mertens on 24 Nov 2003:

"Poppelau den 17.Januar" (1826) "Starb der Gärtner Valentin Skroch und wurde den 19ten begraben" "45 Jahre" "Folgen des unglücklichen ?Dru...? von ?einem? ?Bauern?. Erben sein Eheweib und 5 Kinder." Thomas translates from German to English: "Poppelau the 17.January" (1826) "Died the gardener Valentin Skroch and bury on 19th" "45 Years" "in result of the unlucky ?Dru..? from a ?farmer?. Inherit his wife and 5 children."
27 Mar 2010 : Possible lead ... "Im John Bjorge, one of my ancestors was a Maria Skroch who was said to be the daughter of Valentin Skroch. Could you help me with this. Maria was born around 1813. Maria married Jacob Kubis around 1834. I hope i have the right Valentin Skroch."